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Some 2021 list questions
« on: December 28, 2020, 10:21:14 PM »
Been writing a few lists and a couple of minor questions have arisen

1) Are the Inca internal tribal allies professional as well?

2) Many of the Chinese armies require 25% of the 'foot' to be downgraded to poor. Is this 'Foot' as defined by 'Type' (which would include artillery, which can't be downgraded) or just anything that has 'Foot' in its name. I assume the latter but am not 100%

3) Should the various Italian Condotta mounted lancer types be able to mix the different armour levels in the one unit? They could in the earlier versions of the list and a second rank of lesser armoured types would seem to make sense.

Thanks

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2020, 10:26:29 AM »
Re Inca will have to check for you

Chinese your latter is correct so not artillery

I think I was just going through so many lists I simplified it, I am happy to go back and reread my books and put diferently equiped second ranks in, it is already done for the deep German wedges.

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2020, 10:10:48 PM »
And a few more :

16th Century:
Some Italian Wars list have Waterside and others don't. As they all found over the same ground.

Hungarian Revolt 1514 - Defended Wagons lacking details

Early Russian 1494-1550 should the artillery option be 0-3?

Cossack 1530-1570 - Tabor lacking details

Cossack 1571-170 - ditto

German Peasant Wars 1514-1526 - Hvy Art have no armour value

Scottish 1494-1568 - Light Guns 0-4, units size 3. Should it be 0-2?

Irish 1550+ - Should there be an end point? Till 1583 Desmond Rebellion?

Shouldn't all Ottoman artillery have the option for barricades?

Mamluks - have not start or end date 1517? Levy Foot is bold for some reason

17th & 18th Century:

Transylvanian 1618-1626 Mounted shot may change to bow - should this apply to Reiters?

Transylvanian 1627-1645 - as above

TYW Danish - add Waterside to terrain, the place is surrounded by water, some Danish list have it others don't. Same applies to Sweden.

EWC list, replace Forests with Waterside. Forest cover vastly reduced by 1600s, and appear to have no impact on any EWC battle on English or Welsh soil. Still count for Scottish & Eire lists.

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 09:26:07 AM »
Thank you very much for this, most of my time was spent transposing list so they matched the army builder, will get ahead and do all these corrections, again my thanks it is much appreciated

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2020, 09:27:55 AM »
The barricades option is now covered in the spiel at the beginning of the list books and available to all artillery as was commonly the case

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2020, 01:59:31 PM »
Late 17th & 18th Europe

Swedish 1681-1699 - Waterside

English Government Force 1689 Killiecrankie Campaign - Are the Light Artillery compulsory?

Prince Eugene's Hapsburg Austrian Army in Italy and the Rhine area 1704-1709 - Empty box table at end of list.

Louis XIV in Northern Europe 1704 Blenhiem -Bavarian Jagers missing armour value and formation.

Franco-Spanish in Spain 1703-1714 - French Foot no numbers included.

General thoughts; should most European lists include Waterside as this represent shorelines and main rivers?

Artillery now seems to be in blocks of 3, this mean all batteries are the same size; as most come as 3-6 would an option of artillery to be in 3/2 for more choice?

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2021, 09:08:03 AM »
17th & 18th Century

Saxony 187-1699 - Quality and Armour values missing, Charge and Melee Wpn values in table instead.

English Goverment Force 1689 Killiecrankies Campaign - as above

Naples and Vemice 1701-1720 - Use of UA Stradiots in Armour.

There is a general lack of consistancey in what i used on the Armour values UPR, Upr, PR, Pr, also Poor, poor, Average, average and in a few cases Average

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2021, 12:22:45 PM »
Thanks Wayne

will continue to update, accept we havent got consistency in the lists yet as concentrated on rules, have fixed Saxon and Killiecrankies list

thansk as ever

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2021, 08:23:04 PM »
And a few more

Foot and Mounted can't add Shove.
 
Although there is an added cost of 50 to give elephants shove in the costs, I can't find any elephants with shove?
16th C Europe
 
Hapsburgs in the East 1559-1609
- Imperial Gendarmes (Max12) - is that a max of 12 bases or max of 2 units?
Reiters as above
Cuirassiers (Max 8) so sort of above

German States 1494-1515
- Are the Artillery compulsory ?

Scottish 1494-1568
- Light Guns 0-4 unit size 3 ?

Irish 1550 + Kerns aren't aggressive, but are in Elizabethan English in Ireland? Also doesn't cover Nine Years War.
17th C Europe

Imperialist 1618-1632
- Wallensteins Life Guard; is it either one or the options or can you use both?

Scots Covenanters in Scotland - Heavy Guns (Max 4) but unit size is 3?

Scots Royalist 1644 to 1645
- "History has often misinterpreted the make-Upr of a Montrose army"

Scots Covenanters in England
- Artillery 3-9 most others get 3-6, where they noted for having lots of artillery compared to others? Also the mounted shot are poor in Scotland, but average in England?

1641 to 1652 Irish Confederation of Kilkenny
- Dates are normally after the name. Also Redshanks had LFP with bow seems a bit mean. There are several accounts of their bow fire being devastating on occasions.

Later Polish 1630-1652 & 1653-1675
- Smaller font that the rest of the book.

Later Dutch 1648-1680 - Dutch Horse Max 30 in units of 4, 30 can't be divided by 4?

Eastern & Western Hapsburg Austrian Imperial 1648-1680
- Imperial Kurassiere Max 30 in units of 4, 30 can't be divided by 4?

Early Savoyard 1649-1680 - Savoyard Horse ditto

Late 17th & 18th Europe

Eastern Hapsburg Austrian Imperial 1691-1699 - Would Hungarian Hussars be UFa?

Russians at Narva 1700 - Noble Cavalry 13-60? 13 is an odd number and 60 a big one
 
Swedish Poltava Campaign 1709-10
- Swedish Horse 13-68? Ditto

Russian vs the Ottomans 1711-20
- Regular Russian Infantry 13-60? 13 is an odd number

Anglo Dutch in Northern Europe 1704-1705 Blenheim
- British or Dutch Foot 13-68? 13 is an odd number

Anglo Dutch in Northenr Europe 1706-1714 Ramillies
- Ditto

Franco-Spanish in Spain 1703-1714
- Spanish Foot ditto

Americas

Northern Mapuche 1494-1580 - Best Warriors with Longquilquil 8-32 can't be divided by 6 or 9
Warriors 30-100 similar to above

Tupi 1494-1721
- There doesn't seem to be a French Colonial list

Ge Brazilian Indian 1494-1721 - Ditto

Incan Empire 1494-1572
- Inca auqua 24-64 can't be divided by 6 or 9
Should the Captured Guns be LFP rather than AFP?

Aruak and Carib Indian 1494-1555
- Spanish Sword and Bucklemen Has HFP as Melee Wpns

Privateers all dates- Local Troops 0-36 doesn't divided by 9

The Far East

Ikko Ikki 1494-1580
- Teppo/Archers 0-36 doesn't divided by 9

Toyotomi Clan Siege of Osaka 1614-1615 - Upgrade Bushi and Ashigaru with yari to Hatmoto 0-6/9 but there are no units of 9?

Edo Period Samurai Post 1616
- Teppo are listed as Musket, but what sort?

The Far East

16th Century Northern Ming - Chinese Missle Foot 13-68, 13 is an odd number and 68 can't be divided by 6.

Jurchen 1584-1622
- Jurchen & Mongol Cavalry 12-90, 90 can't be divided by 4

Korean 1494-1721
- Korean Archers & Korean Conscripts 13-68 odd number and 68 can't be divided by 6.

Safavid Persian 1494-1514
- Should the start date be 1501?

Safavid Persian 1600-1721 - Tufengchsi 6-48, 48 can't be divided by 9

16th Century Vijayanagar Army
- Provincial Swordsmen & Spearmen 9-36 should this be 6-36?

17th Century Vijayanagar Army
- Ditto

16th Century Rajput - Native Swordsmen, Spearmen & Archers 9-90 should this be 6-90?

Colonial Portuguese 1500-1600 - Slave Troops 9-36 should this be 6-90?

Sultanate of Malacca & other Javanese 1494-1511
- Levy 9-72 should this be 6-72?

Johor Sultanate other Javanese 1528-1625
- Ditto, also the is a gap between the Javanese list of 17 years.

Johor Sultanate other Javanese 1626-1721
- Ditto

Thai 1494-1600
-Warriors 36-120, 120 can't be divided by 9, Militia 9-72 should this be 6-72?

Thai 1600-1700 - Ditto

Burmese 1500-1600 - Ditto

Burmese 1600-1700 - Ditto

Wayne




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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2021, 03:41:44 PM »
Wayne

you're a star, all added onto list of work to do

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2021, 03:44:38 PM »
Some should be 9 minimum so you can either have one unit of 9 or two units of 6 to reach minimum but will look at all the lists you have listed

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2021, 12:16:21 PM »
Simon how much does shove cost for Inf and Cav it is "x" in the builder

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Re: Some 2021 list questions
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2021, 02:24:59 PM »
At the moment 5 for both for shove just waiting to see if any other corrections before I rerelease army builder