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Don McHugh

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More ECW mounted questions
« on: March 24, 2020, 02:35:21 PM »
Some help please guys, i am just coming to the end of the excellent book 'Edgehill the Battle reinterpreted by Scott, Turton & von Arni. In it they identify the Parliamentary cavalry reserve as Curiassiers and Harquebusiers. Now I understand what / who are Cuirassiers, but who or what are Harquebusiers? Thanks in anticipation.

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2020, 03:34:01 PM »
OK, my understanding

Harquebusiers/arkebusiers was the term used for the carbine cavalry across Europe who were shooters (also bandalier reiter and even just reiter could be used) as opposed to the cuirassiers who were meant to do the actual hand to hand fighting. As well as the carbine they'd have pistols and initially could be armoured with back and breast and helmet, but could often lack the body armour or have a buff coat. England, however, did not really have cuirassiers (bar the odd few troops) and so the harquebusier effectively became the all round cavalryman expected to do all jobs. The "harquebusier" equipment became the desired level for English cavalry - although of course at the start of the ECW it is debatable how many would actually achieve it - and it was the standard for the NMA when it was formed,although by then tactics had changed a bit.
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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2020, 04:11:07 PM »
The only thing I would say is the learned gentlemen in this book, use these terms to differentiate them from the other Roundhead units, many of who had carbines.

One of the units at Cheriton is also referred to in the same manor.

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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2020, 05:29:44 PM »
I think in relation to Edgehill the suggestion made to this query on FB is probably accurate - the authors used the term to establish that the reserve was not wholly one sort of cavalry or the other but included both types. In relation to that battle I cannot recall anything that suggests some of the Parliamentarian non-cuirassier cavalry operated in some way differently from the others or were differently equipped.
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2020, 07:08:04 PM »
I think in relation to Edgehill the suggestion made to this query on FB is probably accurate - the authors used the term to establish that the reserve was not wholly one sort of cavalry or the other but included both types. In relation to that battle I cannot recall anything that suggests some of the Parliamentarian non-cuirassier cavalry operated in some way differently from the others or were differently equipped.

It is strange that the same term is used at Cheriton.

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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2020, 07:36:38 PM »
Was it taken from an account of the battle or something the author used?
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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2020, 08:04:30 PM »
BTW the book recommended on the FB thread is a good one - John Barrat "Cavaliers: The Royalist Army at War 1642-1646" - the section on the horse is well balanced and has a fair comparison of the Parliamentarian horse to the Royalist as well. Includes the interesting note that maybe a high proportion of the best Royalist horse was with Goring in 1645 and so missed Naseby; one wonders how it might have panned out if they had still been with the King's army ...
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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2020, 09:10:44 PM »
Was it taken from an account of the battle or something the author used?

The orbats for the Roundhead army list the following units belonging to Essex.

Right wing - First line.
The Lord Generals regiment of Horse - 360 men in 6 troops

Centre
Reserve of Horse Lord Lieutenant General General of horse 300 men in 4 troops
Essex's Lifeguard
Essex's Harquebusier
Balfour's Lifeguard
Bedford's Lifeguard

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2020, 07:47:40 AM »
I found the John Barrat "Cavaliers: The Royalist Army at War 1642-1646" for 1.60 on Amazon.

Cost double that for postage.

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2020, 08:29:21 AM »
Still a bargain  ;D

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